New FAA Guidance for Recreational Drone Pilots?

New FAA Guidance for Recreational Drone Pilots?

The FAA just released a new Advisory Circular (AC 91-57C) and it’s loaded with new information that nobody seems to be paying attention to. The document is still a draft at the moment, and the FAA wants you to comment on it before August 9.
In this video, we talk about the new possible restrictions that could be applied to recreational flyers at the end of the summer via community-based organizations.
We will discuss how to download the advisory circular, the key points that you need to pay attention to, and how to submit a comment.

Link to the Advisory Circular main page: https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/draft_docs/afs_ac/
Link to AC 91.57C: https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/draft_docs/media/afx/AC_91-57C_Coord_Copy.pdf
Link to Comment Document: https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/draft_docs/media/afx/AC_91-57C_CF.docx
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TRUST Explained: https://youtu.be/MFyfZ6d569s

00:00 Introduction
00:50 Preface
01:47 Where to find AC 91.57C
02:17 Regulatory Background
04:28 CBO Guidelines
06:28 New FAA Guidelines
07:56 FPV Guidelines
09:34 VLOS Guidelines
10:14 Night Flying Guidelines
12:05 Safety Reporting Guidelines
12:50 Other new FAA Guidelines
15:00 How to comment
15:39 Personal Opinion

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50 Comments

  1. Old Gray Cowboy on July 25, 2021 at 8:59 pm

    I have no interest in contacting the FAA. The gov is 100% out of control. Every dept and agency is just making up their own rules. And call them laws. Our toy foam planes,and helicopters. Our hot rods. I’ve had mine for 50 years. Now it’s illegal. We’ve got a lot of crime moving into our neighborhood. I can’t have a gun to protect me & my wife. If I was a billionaire, I could do anything !!!! I’m just an old guy now, who has been made a second class citizen by our own government. Its is all very childish.

  2. Thomas Maughan on July 25, 2021 at 9:02 pm

    It was the requirement to follow CBO guidelines that persuaded me to go ahead with Part 107 certification. As an example of a CBO, the AMA (Academy Of Model Aeronautics) has stringent requirements and simply does not, or at the time did not, envision citizens flying pretty much anywhere they pleased. You would have to fly at an AMA sanctioned model airfield for instance. AMA rules are certainly safety conscious and designed to prevent spectators from being injured by fast moving, fixed-wing model aircraft that sometimes can be rather large, 6 foot wingspans or more.

  3. Daniel Martinez on July 25, 2021 at 9:04 pm

    As a part 107 pilot who flies for a news organization I’m actually worried about the creation of these CBOs and them interfering with my ability to do my job because local law enforcement doesn’t understand the difference between a CBO and Part 107 restrictions. For example I could easily see a CBO being formed in a local municipality that puts in an additional stipulation that you can’t film someone with a drone without their consent (I’ve had police officers attempt to ground me based on their incorrect assumption this was the case already) this could lead to problems where I’m covering a breaking news event under part 107 and get grounded by local police who assume the CBO regulation also applies to 107 flights even though my ability to film in these situations is expressly permitted.

  4. tim lubbers on July 25, 2021 at 9:06 pm

    My number 1 question is: who is going to enforce this?
    (My local police force has stated they will not, as they are not getting federal funding to enforce federal laws)

  5. Sunrise Water Media on July 25, 2021 at 9:10 pm

    Imagine reporting every single FPV crash! 🤦‍♂️

  6. Kathy Wedzik on July 25, 2021 at 9:11 pm

    I’m still trying to get access to a printer to register etc. Waiting years for all this rule regulations to settle and quit injecting that recreational use is criminal and must be regulated. When you want to go to a public park designated remote control area to learn to fly and have fun and the coo coo starts twisting your desires into some unforseen crazy criminal behavior like illegal contraband and recklessness. 🤯

  7. Brian on July 25, 2021 at 9:12 pm

    Did I just make a mistake buying the DJI Mini 2 for recreational purposes? All I wanted to do was enjoy the drone that I just bought, now it sounds like it’s going to be to much a hassle to enjoy. If I wanted to keep logs of every error and log every pre flight and post flight I would go back to Aviation in the Army. I’m retired and just wanted to have some fun safely. Now I’m thinking I should just return it.

  8. Scott c on July 25, 2021 at 9:12 pm

    Now this will only apply to all the peasants except for Amazon. So when Amazon starts their drone prime package delivery service all the working tax paying slaves won’t be in the way. These rules also don’t apply to dumb people, people who want to do harm like terrorists or the government. Thanks ASSHOLES!!!

  9. H2O- FPV on July 25, 2021 at 9:13 pm

    Hey thank u for the inf.Great video

  10. grifce on July 25, 2021 at 9:13 pm

    People are gonna get fed up with this power overreach.

  11. Russell Ledbetter on July 25, 2021 at 9:13 pm

    First and foremost Greg I want to thank you for going above and beyond to keep ALL drone flyers in the information loop.
    Just by chance I ran across one of your videos about recreational flyers requirement for the TRUST "test" and completed it without delay.
    I’m probably going to upset 99.9% of all who read this.
    I’m a recreational flyer and post on YouTube for fun and enjoyment. I’m not monetized and never will be.
    It is my personal belief that the FAA has created a monster and needs to "re-cage it’s Turn and Slip indicator" making ALL drone flyers required to take and pass the 107.
    That’s right, one set of rules for all. Period.
    I also believe that the cost for taking the part 107 test should be nominal,- say $15 and the required instruction be given by the FAA on a website. This way everyone is on the same sheet of music.
    I had a flight several weeks ago where I flew an orbit around a 435′ building and utilized the 107 rule of building plus 400′. I guess I was wrong?
    In any case I flew about 480′ and am now wondering if somebody is going to give me a call?
    Quite frankly I put my drone through the exact same parameters as the 107 holders and can’t see any reason why one or the other would be granted additional flight envelopes just because they are licensed.
    I’m a 30+ year aviation mechanic and contracted all over the world providing Quality Control, Production Control and Safety to many foreign government entities. I treat all of my drone flying with the same focus I did when I worked rotary wing.
    As many others have stated, the CBO is a shitty idea with much room for over regulation. The FAA has simply lateraled the ball to,- in what may be in many cases a bunch of singularly focused individuals who’s knowledge and background may not include say,- FPV flying.
    I’m getting too long in the tooth to put up with BS.
    You’re right when you say many recreational flyers will either disregard the rules or just quit the hobby.
    What a shame……

  12. Dpixtion on July 25, 2021 at 9:13 pm

    I’ve been waiting and saving for the mavic 3. Studying the part 107. Now over the past 9 month rules over rules over advising, I’m having reservations about making the purchase. The FAA wants you to pay to fly (part 107), recreational can’t fly above a building 400 rule, but if you paid the 107 fee, then that same airspace is now available. However, 98~99% of police do not know the FAA rules, nor does the ‘Karen or Bobs’ who is trying to enforce their feelings of you flying. FAA. Needs to educate the general public more then. The visual observer is getting a bit silly, to a point. If I’m flying over a construction site, I can understand the VO. If I’m out in my back yard, or local park, open fields, needing a VO, that’s a bit much. So anytime you want to go fly you need two people now. Line of site, the smaller drones, can’t get too far away before you can’t see them.

  13. Mark Warner on July 25, 2021 at 9:15 pm

    Looking at 107 certificate. Why do I need to know ZULU time and read a sectional map of an airport I cannot fly at. I am afraid this is going in the same direction. Yes there should be entry level training. Your trust certificate number should be required to activate an new drone but that is all that should be required for recreationally.

  14. Tony Delong on July 25, 2021 at 9:16 pm

    The FAA is the controlling entity, if there is a need for new safety rules or other guidelines its their job. A CBO will not make recreational flying safer, it will become confusing, different CBO’s with different rules….creates an unsafe airspace. I’m not sure why the FAA does not want to take the lead here, who better at this point. With what authority will a CBO operate, civil?? Criminal?? Don’t make it complicated……for the flyers or the enforcers!

  15. Sonny Gower on July 25, 2021 at 9:17 pm

    If the public would make as many comments to the federal goverment as they do on you tube things would be a lot better. Voice your opionion. Call your government. You have to be persistent

  16. iCore ZX14R on July 25, 2021 at 9:18 pm

    I fly slope gliders and have been jumping through these hoops just to keep having fun without legal issues. But I see some places where carve outs for non-powered fixed wing aircraft need to be addressed. It’s nearly impossible to fly slope without a occasionally flying over people. Also speed limits could be an issue for people who practice Dynamic Soaring. I haven’t accomplished this yet, but practitioners of this aspect have pushed their gliders over 550 mph. Experimentation is an important part of any hobby. And imposing speed limits on non-powered aircraft would have a chilling effect on RC aircraft development and diminish the scope of variety from the hobby. Informative video, glad I got to see it. Thanks!

  17. JC FPV on July 25, 2021 at 9:18 pm

    Hey I recently found out that my previous and current employer was not providing proper protection to us when cutting and drilling into concrete and it scares the crap out of me of what lies ahead for me and my family and weather or not I will pass away from this horrible disease silicosis that I had never heard of there are no treatments, cures or hope of any kind to stop the damage that has been done if any of your family members work in a trade that evolves stone,rock, concrete get them out immediately I feel like my whole world has come crashing down and have no where to turn.

  18. Gary Grasma on July 25, 2021 at 9:19 pm

    I have a Commercial Aviation License, Instrument Rated, and Multi-Engine Rating. It is easier for me to fly a Beechcraft Baron into a large city area with the necessary regulations, than it is to fly a UAS out in the county. My drones are history now, even for Recreation use.

  19. Jesse Parker on July 25, 2021 at 9:21 pm

    So ground level section that’s mentioned it’s only clarifies man made structures so if you fly it from a top of a hill or a mountain is ok?

  20. Greg Oswalt on July 25, 2021 at 9:23 pm

    Basically, to make a long story short, the government doesn’t want us flying drones.

  21. Gomez on July 25, 2021 at 9:24 pm

    Not to be "that guy" but seriously people…there are not enough FAA agents/inspectors to accomplish enforcement of these types of rules. I’m a licensed aircraft maintenance technician and non active private pilot. I’ve had many discussions with FAA inspectors over the years and they want nothing to do with drones or to have to investigate such reports/calls.
    Rules like any other rules are to keep honest people honest. Don’t fly like a moron, be aware of your surroundings etc. and how can you get in trouble? Go the speed limit, stop at stop signs, use your turn signal….basic logic and common sense prevail. If by some unfortunate circumstance you encounter an FAA official, be polite and cooperate. You are allowed by law to ask for their credentials as well.

  22. Octo on July 25, 2021 at 9:24 pm

    All the regulations that they are trying to make are just garbage. The more rules they make, the more fliers there will be that will ignore the rules and just *fly* , me included.

  23. Kathy Wedzik on July 25, 2021 at 9:24 pm

    Think 9/11 and think way too much gangs….. always looking for a way to hurt others by hijacking the activities of the good.

  24. J Price on July 25, 2021 at 9:25 pm

    VLOS. Following a grey red or green spot in the sky during the day without a strobe is damn near impossible. As soon as you take your eye off of it, it goes into stealth mode. Someone needs to come up with a delay switch for strobes. Mine hurts my eyes when I turn it on.

  25. Warren Parsons on July 25, 2021 at 9:26 pm

    Hope this isn’t like the FCC and how they handled Citizen Band Radios.

  26. Kansas Outdoorsman on July 25, 2021 at 9:26 pm

    I’m thinking about using your program to get my 107 license. I don’t do anything commercially and never plan to make money with a drone. Can you give me any reasons why I should or shouldn’t get my 107 license. Thanks in advance

  27. Dan noringer on July 25, 2021 at 9:27 pm

    I think the FAA needs to shut up. The exception’s 8 rules are good, part 107 is good. The FAA has had it’s say, and now the FAA needs to shut up.

  28. El Hungaro on July 25, 2021 at 9:28 pm

    Greg….. You were awesome all these years with all the info we need it to exist in FAA rules….. 👍 Thanks
    This is the end with drones for me….. I lived in constant fear of the f!? *! FAA…even in my own back yard…. Good grief 😖…. I’m done…..

  29. Randy on July 25, 2021 at 9:29 pm

    @Pilot Institute… The FAA wants us all to just quit drones, so here…. I quit… this has all gone downhill

  30. nimda0 on July 25, 2021 at 9:29 pm

    Little overreach? ANY regulations by the government are overreach. That’s what leftists liberals and Democrats don’t get. We need less government, not more. Freedom is the priority.

  31. Robert Spangler on July 25, 2021 at 9:29 pm

    I agree with you about the rules should be simple. I’m a new drone flyer and if they make things so complecated people will, like you said, not want to read pages and pages of do’s and don’ts. As a new flyer I plan on flying safely but having too many restricktions why would I want to fly. I do plan in the future to go for part 107 but at this point in time I’m just looking to have fun and get tyo know my drone better.

  32. John Newns on July 25, 2021 at 9:32 pm

    It’s a backdoor way for faa to apply rules without asking for your thoughts. They are side stepping you laws to be able to make CBO introduce new regulations without going through consultation. CBO s are not going to argue because they won’t want to loose CBO status. You are being shafted and this is not the end. You hobby is going to be regulated out of existence. And it all started with registration.

  33. Francesco Ponticelli on July 25, 2021 at 9:33 pm

    I think the topics are correct: the CBO could do a one page summary in bullett points of the Do/don’t to make it easy.

  34. Ryan on July 25, 2021 at 9:34 pm

    "Land Of The Free"

  35. Jet Coyote on July 25, 2021 at 9:34 pm

    I too noticed the "careless and reckless" operation note in the AC. In full scale aviation this is the one FAVORITE open ended phrase the FAA takes enforcement action against an airman when they have not specifically addressed it in their own rules. It is meant as a "catch all" clause that can apply to almost anything they want. If they can’t find a regulation you broke, they will throw down on the "careless and reckless" charge. It is that easy. You can bet when the regulations get tightened up and more finalized they WILL put enforcement action in full effect. Right now is a transitional period and the FAA does not want to go after enforcement action when their own rules have not been finalized. That day is approaching. Soon…

  36. Paul Chamberlain on July 25, 2021 at 9:35 pm

    IMO the FAA should only concern itself with manned aircraft safety. Flying around airports etc must be prevented, of course. The rest of this is ridiculous. I can do plenty of damage to people and property with other unlicensed things, say a bicycle, and liability is handled without the FAA.

  37. Kathy Wedzik on July 25, 2021 at 9:37 pm

    Bad people, the faa, im sure, is worried about like terrorists, they slam all the little innocent people to keep the terrorists at bay. Terrorists gaslight make a mockery of all kool stuff we got. For this reason I can see why the faa is behaving the way it is. If I fly my drone for fun, the terrorists will come fly and terrorize everyone and get away with it. But me if I was to accident the terrorists be assasinting with faa backup, because rules aren’t for terrorists

  38. GIS Students on July 25, 2021 at 9:37 pm

    Thank you, Greg! You are the best source of drone info on YouTube! I fly drones as part of my job and it’s awesome to a knowledgeable person like you to explain these confusing rules. Much appreciated!

  39. Tim Anderson on July 25, 2021 at 9:37 pm

    Hi Greg,do the weight limits apply to other rc aircraft?

  40. robert young on July 25, 2021 at 9:39 pm

    Thank god these people can’t regulate how I have to use the restroom.
    It would be a 15 page manual on proper operation just for number one with additional information for number two.
    These people are getting delusional about all these rules.
    Can I use my hand held two way aircraft radio for tower clearance??????
    Why not!!!!!!!

  41. Pete Engard on July 25, 2021 at 9:41 pm

    Too bad there’s no one at the FAA that can read anything intelligently written. These rules are nothing more than a power grab for the large drone delivery companies.

  42. About & Beyond on July 25, 2021 at 9:42 pm

    Hand it to the govt to screw up recreation. The fact that a CBO needs to be a 501c3 is telling and not a good idea. What do you do if you don’t live near a CBO? I can see fees, initial testing and concurrent training with some old coot being a jerk if you don’t put your propellers on in a clockwise fashion. Yea this could get bad. I am new to drones – I just got my Air 2S yesterday and I love it (did my first flights this morning). The only thing I see is maybe one or two good things and the rest of the added rules will stifle the sport and drive people away.

  43. AddictedRC on July 25, 2021 at 9:44 pm

    Clear, concise explanation, presentation. And, your important opinion is always welcome, brother Greg!
    Although, I don’t see the regs as too complex, we all should agree, it should NOT be associated with Part 107.

  44. Mickey McH on July 25, 2021 at 9:44 pm

    Back in 2012 when congress gave the FAA the task of "regulating" suas congress assured those of us in the recreational RC community that recreational flying would not be regulated by the FAA. Over 80 years the RC community has been very successfully self regulated. No matter how they want to spin it, they lied.
    I was born with the right to free speech, right to bear arms and the freedom to fly my RC models and I will do so until the day I go to the crematorium in a bag. The FAA and congress can FO.

  45. Travis Cheney on July 25, 2021 at 9:45 pm

    Very good information thanks for breaking the CBO and 44809 I like it to be as simple as possible cause not everyone who flies will understand it same as those are supposed to enforce the rules they would like it to be simple as well

  46. Alan Norton on July 25, 2021 at 9:45 pm

    Someone is trying to pound square pegs into round holes! I think the CBO part should be done away with altogether. CBOs only add another layer of complexity to the already overly complex rules the FAA has come up with. Not only that but CBOs will be using their influence to drag recreational flyers into their fold, which no doubt would have dues. CBOs can use recreational flying for monetary gain but the pilot can not? So, someone who is anti sUAS can join or start a CBO and further their anti sUAS agenda from within .

  47. vico cortez on July 25, 2021 at 9:46 pm

    Can DACA recipients get a part 107 license and if so ehat are the steps

  48. Alex Annis on July 25, 2021 at 9:51 pm

    It’s all your fault ,,,LOL Great point and information it does make sense.

  49. lambertodgr8 on July 25, 2021 at 9:52 pm

    It’s a pity that these regulations are required because people today have no commonsense nor respect for others . If everyone had that the regulations would not be required .

  50. Emrys T on July 25, 2021 at 9:55 pm

    What CBO do you recommend?

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