Is my Drone flight RECREATIONAL or 107? FAA says Most DRONE HOBBYISTS are FLYING ILLEGALLY

Is my Drone flight RECREATIONAL or 107? FAA says Most DRONE HOBBYISTS are FLYING ILLEGALLY

Post HOBBYIST DRONE FLIGHT pics to YOUTUBE, FACEBOOK OR INSTAGRAM, Etc., you are likely doing it ILLEGALLY according to the FAA without a 107 certificate. I had a conversation directly with the FAA outreach center to get a specific definition so we all know what the rules are. I almost decided not to post this because as the FAA defines it, it is much more rigid than I even thought and I expect the hateful comments will commence. I’m just trying to educate so we can all enjoy the hobby because we know what we are doing is the right, safe, and legal thing so accept this in the spirit in which it is offered. I think there is still a lot of room for hobbyist drone flights but with the awesome cameras available on most it is a shame that to do anything with the pics or video it requires a “part 107 advanced certificate”, as the FAA calls it. I know most won’t bother to read this section before posting the likely seething hate, but keep in mind I’m the messenger, not the originator of the information. Also, as the author of the channel I can simply delete comments that are out of bounds, so let’s help each other out instead of making me the censorship police. Please. I DO want your thoughts though, so don’t take my plea as anything other than to keep it clean and thoughtful…

-If you post your HOBBYIST DRONE FLIGHT pics to YOUTUBE, FACEBOOK OR INSTAGRAM, Etc., you are likely doing it ILLEGALLY according to the FAA. I had a conversation directly with the FAA outreach center to get a specific definition so we all know what the rules are

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2:25 Part 107 Only If Making Money?
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8:46 FAA Here to Help
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50 Comments

  1. Jauquin Holmes on August 2, 2022 at 8:00 pm

    I appreciate the clarification of hobist flying. The thing is the rule is still an overreach.. especially when you are having to register and get a license just to capture footage that is in a public domain… so if you fly a kit with a recording device… it doesn’t make since of these secondary offenses if someone uses your footage that is in the public domain… this is the worst thing about part 107 intent which is actually an impending public domain freedoms with the fees and things there are so many use cases that aren’t covered in part 107 and limits the freedom of such things especially on one’s property…

  2. Penultimate Name on August 2, 2022 at 8:00 pm

    If I heard correctly the FAA guy said, the recreational flight video given later to a business is still recreational because of the original intent. Nothing new here. Then I thought he said the business would be in trouble. That means the business has the responsibility of knowing if you have a 107? What if you do but in one aspect made an illegal action.

    That’s like saying, if my electrician or plumber does something illegal I need to know the regulations to stop it. More simply I know my plumber is licensed. He has a number on the truck. How do I know it hasn’t expired or possibly fake.

  3. ricardopr54 on August 2, 2022 at 8:02 pm

    Your guest didn’t answer your question about how to differentiate between flying under part 107 or recreationally. How the hell the FAA are going to prove your truly intentions when you share a video creation in social media sharing the places visited by you during some vacation trip? There’s no way they can prove beyond reasonable doubt that you did that with the intention of commercialize the final edited product. I have many drone videos edited and shared in YouTube that aren’t monetized and that I just decided to post with the sole purpose of showing others the places I visited on a trip to wherever destination. Those flights were solely recreational and they can’t prove otherwise… There’s no way unless you actually express publicly that your productions has or had commercial intentions!…

    Another question that you should ask them in a future video. Is it true that once you obtain a Part 107 certificate, from that moment on, recreational flying has to be erased from your vocabulary because from that moment on all your flights will be considered like flying under Part 107?… And much more, what about Model Airplane flights, are those also considered drones for them, or how do they classify a model Airplane?… Those doesn’t have any autonomous flight capabilities, so, are they still drones for the FAA?… That last question is one that I would actually love to know their thoughts about it!…

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  4. kennyw on August 2, 2022 at 8:03 pm

    If I’m not mistaken the FAA, like most federal government agencies, have their own full-time lawyers to adjudicate legal issues that come before them. If so, it means that there’s an appeals process you can go through, within the department heard by department lawyers, if you’re not satisfied with a "lower" ruling or opinion. Put simply, the FAA’s ruling will ultimately be final. I’m all in for drone regulations, but is the FAA really going to hire private contractors to monitor social media streams for violators? Intent or mens rea is a "slippery slope" when it comes to proving it. Sometimes intent is obvious, when it’s not proving it relies on circumstantial evidence and/or witness testimony, which then has to be subjectively interpreted by a 3rd party. In this case, it’s an FAA lawyer. I could be over-reacting, but it’s possible the FAA is over-reacting more than I am when it comes to monitoring social media platforms and determining an individual’s dgree of intent in violation of the regulations.

  5. M118LR on August 2, 2022 at 8:03 pm

    THIS is the “why” of people having a ‘problem’ with .gov. They ALWAYS want their greedy hands in everything and under the guise of “revenue”. They literally develop ‘rules’ in which are arbitrary and/or harder than heck to follow…just death-gripping and strangling anything AND everything that could be fun…and in which the average Joe Public CAN NEVER GET AHEAD.

  6. retro93292 on August 2, 2022 at 8:07 pm

    It’s bull shit , especially that story about the kid with the drone . Obviously it was a civil matter . It would be the same as a kid throwing a rock . That low level UAV support rep does not understand the fundamentals of drone flight . “ no we are not trying to be overreaching buuuuutttt … “ typical government talk and trust me I work for the government I can read the bullshit in his voice .

  7. Arslan Tullah on August 2, 2022 at 8:08 pm

    Keep in mind, FAA stands for Fuck Flying Administration. Its not safety concern really, at least not entirely. If it was safety issue the rules would have been same for commercial and recreation pilots. Why the fuck commercial pilot need license and recreational pilots not? If a drone is flying for recreational purpose it poses the same risk as if it flying for commercial purpose. Also they should make a simple test or some other way so people don’t have to spend money on licensing and registration (which is free for now but for how long). Besides the rules for flying in National Parks sucks and make no sense. I have seen offers to get a ride in helicopter at parks but no you can not fly the fucking drone their because it annoys people and animals. If you want to ban drone in parks at least ban them in highly risk parks with a lot of wildlife not every god damn park. This is not safety or anything its just people who don’t like drones and don’t know what to do if some jerk complains about a drone. FAA should call some licensed drone pilots and consider their thoughts in making rules so they are a bit more understandable.

  8. Rafael vargas on August 2, 2022 at 8:09 pm

    I dont think the 107 everyone needs it as long they dont sell there videos pictures or post anything on social media the worst thing is social media the faa the government is always in your business so ill stay with my recreational certificate and continue happy without posting nothing for the world can see

  9. Tony Rowland on August 2, 2022 at 8:11 pm

    As a multi engine instrument rated pilot I am giving up my drone. Not worth the risk of losing my job for a stupid rule set. All it would take is one complaint.

  10. Oldgoldtop Goldtop on August 2, 2022 at 8:11 pm

    I appreciate the need to regulate airspace but still think there could be some reasonable low attitude that drones could be operated without authorization with certain exceptions.
    The example of an injury from a toy drone seems extreme since many unregulated toys and objects cause injures on a daily basis.

  11. SkyGizmo on August 2, 2022 at 8:12 pm

    Great and good context. Please improve audio capture in future calls.
    Not to lessen the value of this content.

  12. h mz on August 2, 2022 at 8:12 pm

    For incidentals; that’s what insurance is for’
    One again, what the faa should care’

  13. h mz on August 2, 2022 at 8:13 pm

    Too much overreach’

  14. Matthew Jackson on August 2, 2022 at 8:13 pm

    And this ladies and gents is what I call over-regulation.

  15. Bushido Photo, LLC on August 2, 2022 at 8:14 pm

    I disagree. If you fly to capture footage for yourself that looks awesome, it’s not for monetary purposes or professional purposes. This FAA guy is blurring the lines. If I want to fly and capture footage for myself, that’s not furtherance of a business.

  16. James Lewis on August 2, 2022 at 8:15 pm

    How the hell did us RC Helicopter Pilots get caught up in this mess. We fly LOS (maybe 200-300′ out and 50-100′ high) and most don’t have a camera aboard.

  17. Appalachian Crest Railroad Jay Wagner on August 2, 2022 at 8:15 pm

    Well that’s as clear as mud.

  18. bluekron77 on August 2, 2022 at 8:17 pm

    A person getting hurt does not make it a good reason for you to have to register your drawing and have a pilot’s license, there’s plenty of other activities that may cause somebody to get hurt like a runaway skateboard or a runaway bike or even a remote control car

  19. Rafael vargas on August 2, 2022 at 8:18 pm

    Ok i think that if i fly my mini 2 and make a video of the sun rising or of my house and as long i ro not post it on social media everything should be fine cause is for me to look at it not for sale not for the world can see

  20. Dennis Rogers on August 2, 2022 at 8:19 pm

    I can see what will happen, drone owners will go underground and make their own drones, which is not that hard, then FAA will have no idea how many drones are out there. They made it illegal to import powerful lasers, yet people make them and sell them, but not widely known. This will happen and there are not enough EAA personnel to accually police it.

  21. G.YOUNGBLOOD'S THE LITTLE THINGS on August 2, 2022 at 8:20 pm

    So by there way of thinking the D.O.T. should regulate skateboards, and bicycles, if they wear a helmet cam and take video for their YouTube channel. Fisherman using a boat should have a commercial license if they promote them selves or a product while using a boat.. where does government over reach stop.

  22. Chris Burnett skip on August 2, 2022 at 8:23 pm

    Absolutely crap hobbiest ….start marking ppl with cell phones taking pic gopros recording vids uploading must take a part 107 period

  23. Tom Perry on August 2, 2022 at 8:23 pm

    I just passed the Part 107. Just mostly for shits and giggles and to prove to my kids that the old man’s brain still functions. I live in about as far in the middle of nowhere as it gets mostly G airspace but if someone wanted to buy a photo or wanted a vid of their Mt Retreat I’m covered. Just makes sense you learn a lot in the study process. and it could cover your ass in the future.

  24. A Wood on August 2, 2022 at 8:24 pm

    Why don’t paramotor filters need a license

  25. The Power Of Truth on August 2, 2022 at 8:25 pm

    Law enforcement should be forced to pass part 107 as a condition of employment.

  26. W.E.S. Wesley entertainment studios on August 2, 2022 at 8:25 pm

    This guy on the phone is blowing smoke. Commercial means revenue end of story. Lmao

  27. The Power Of Truth on August 2, 2022 at 8:26 pm

    If the FAA over reach includes punitive consequences regarding ignorant pilots then why doesn’t that same over reach also include forcing law enforcement to pass the part 107 test? 99.9% of "concerned" people, which definitely include law enforcement, that approach a pilot, have no clue what they’re talking about.

  28. OldManBaker on August 2, 2022 at 8:29 pm

    How do you determine intent? The FAA left the rules vague so They can trap you! That is what I heard. I’m here from the Guberment, and I am here to help you! Sounds like the little kid with a small drone flying into someone lacked adult supervision. Completely different scenario anyway. The next question is what does another Agent think? Everyone of them has their own interpretation, because the RULES are Vague on purpose. I’ve copied this video to use in court if I ever have to. This was an eye opening video, thanks for posting it! Cheers Fly Safe, and have fun!

  29. MO A K on August 2, 2022 at 8:31 pm

    What does the story about the kid crashing his drone into a dudes face have to do with 107?

  30. h mz on August 2, 2022 at 8:32 pm

    Just like the typical mob, they want a piece of the action’

  31. Tony Rowland on August 2, 2022 at 8:34 pm

    AsDo

  32. Hazwaste63 on August 2, 2022 at 8:36 pm

    New flier here. It was telling that the gentleman from the FAA could not answer your clear and direct questions without stuttering, hemming, and hawing between every 2 or 3 words. He came across as someone who does not know his business, or has been directed to avoid clear cut answers.

  33. 4Xprops !!!! on August 2, 2022 at 8:36 pm

    I’m a hobbyist since 1984, safely and responsibly!!! AND I HAVE NO SOCIAL MEDIA! FB, YT, TWITTER etc….. never post anything!

  34. Arslan Tullah on August 2, 2022 at 8:37 pm

    Try hitting someone with bicycle coming full speed. I think it will do same if not more damage than a drone hitting person. So don’t we have license for bicycle? Lame excuses just bcz one out of million drone fell on people does not mean we need that strict rules. We have more car accidents then drone accidents and all other stuff that people get injured from. Its just over exaggerated every time. Be practical FAA.

  35. photonrayswaves on August 2, 2022 at 8:38 pm

    So make sure you only post low quality shaky terrible footage online so the FAA can’t claim you are doing it to promote yourself.

  36. h mz on August 2, 2022 at 8:38 pm

    What should they care about if I take pictures or video?
    If I’m not causing any harm?
    Ohh I get it now’ it’s because they want to be able to make revenue out of us one way or the other’

  37. Mickey McH on August 2, 2022 at 8:39 pm

    As of August 2021 there are an estimated 1.2 million "drones" registered in the US. There are less than 200,000 part 107 certified pilots. Some of us have been "hobbyists" for a very long time.
    The model aviation hobby has existed long before the FAA, their predecessor the Civil Aeronautics Administration or the part 107 certification. CBOs existed before the CAA and decades before the FAA. Until the FAA decided it was in their best interest to redefine the model aviation hobby to include "follow the guidelines of a CBO", even though there is no list of "approved CBOs" and in fact CBO guidelines are very often written for an "event" environment, not the occasional flyer that goes to the part for a bit of footage for fun. A hobby has always been any activity someone does to pass the time OR for fun. For over 80 years the definition of a "hobby" was not determined by congress or the FAA and just because they like to redefine life to fit their control agenda it certainly doesn’t make it fact. Some may even say that redefining life to control the masses is nothing less than tyranny. I’m easy, if congress or the FAA wants to legislate me to be a criminal, I can be a criminal but I will never be a sheep.

  38. Poorschedriver on August 2, 2022 at 8:40 pm

    Any gun owners in here will recognize the connection between ATF regulations and FAA regs. Every part of the regs is grey area open to the feds interpretation. Part 107 should be defined by an exchange of money or in-kind donation; period. Me going up to take pictures of my house or pictures of a car show, vs happening to fly for fun and take pictures after the fact is beyond ridiculous. It’s a money power/money grab.

  39. Leggo My Ego on August 2, 2022 at 8:41 pm

    What was the name of the FAA idiot that you talked to? The guy is talking out of his ass! Almost everything he said is completely insistent with the law.

  40. Lucifer on August 2, 2022 at 8:42 pm

    If you are being a safe recreational flyer, and want to make some ad money do it, if you want to do weddings, inspections etc real commercial stuff then yes just get licensed.

  41. Terrell Nichols on August 2, 2022 at 8:44 pm

    How about drone Pilots follow the rules given for recreational Flyers and also it’s mandatory to carry liability insurance and get the hell off our backs. All this crazy stuff about running into airplanes any airplanes flying over my neighborhood less than 400 ft is more of a danger the my little old one or 2 lb drone get real.

  42. Terrell Nichols on August 2, 2022 at 8:45 pm

    Little boy cut his face get the hell out of our Lives big government

  43. jmanj39 on August 2, 2022 at 8:45 pm

    The FAA is really petty going after youtube channels that monetize their videos. Monetizing my video doesn’t make my flight any more or less dangerous. Consider this, the RMV does NOT require someone to get a CDL Commercial drivers license just because he made some money delivering pizza on a scooter. A CDL is for tractor trailers not cars or scooters. The type of license required is not tied to money, it’s tied to the size, complexity, and threat to the public that the vehicle presents. The current system makes them look more like they are regulating commerce instead of flight safety. They should make different classes of license according to size and capability of the aircraft and not how much money your videos make on social media.

  44. steve talley on August 2, 2022 at 8:47 pm

    The hair splitting over what is "recreational" is absurd..and not what 44809 intended. I earned a private pilot’s license over 50 years ago..and there’s provision that allows private pilots to accept cash from passengers for things like fuel cost sharing. Aerial photography is integral to the drone experience and sharing the results as long as it’s not commercial shouldn’t matter. All this nebulous legalize over mission "intent" is meant to discourage droning by hobbyists..period. I’m all for promoting safety. Reducing the ridiculous cost to take the Part 107 exam to something reasonable like $50 would encourage a lot more people to seek the extra training.

  45. Max Ingham on August 2, 2022 at 8:49 pm

    So a drone hobbyist is defined as one not posting on social media?. Ok among other things. Part 107 is still tied to money .

  46. max modenessi on August 2, 2022 at 8:49 pm

    I’m trying to get my drone license and the more YouTube videos I watch the more confusing it gets

  47. Chance Diggz on August 2, 2022 at 8:52 pm

    Thank you for this video. Very informative.

  48. Dennis Rogers on August 2, 2022 at 8:52 pm

    There are more regulations for drones then microlight owners, parasailers, handgliders, etc.

  49. Terrell Nichols on August 2, 2022 at 8:54 pm

    FAA are an extension of governmental control Junior SS of the Nazis. Of course I’m on speaking of drones.

  50. Le-Jay Robinson on August 2, 2022 at 8:56 pm

    I really like this – this is a controversial topic for all drone operators and most content creators are yet to include the FAA in the convo like you have to clarify things and clear up misconceptions.

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