Flying Drones Over People and Vehicles FAA Ruling… is it Legal? the Interview

Flying Drones Over People and Vehicles FAA Ruling… is it Legal? the Interview

Is Flying Drones Over People and Over Vehicles allowed for all Recreational and 107 pilots, according to the FAA? NO. I interviewed the FAA to get answers on Who CAN and HOW. BVLOS, Remote ID and Night flying is discussed as well and even a little history and some passionate pleas from the FAA. I learned a lot in this discussion and I’m sure you will as well.
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====== Links =====
-Remote ID Video: https://youtu.be/XyzoWYp2Kas
-Flights at Night Video: https://youtu.be/vMKYpH1RABk
-FAA CBO Acceptance Circular Video: https://youtu.be/cQwFplssA9M
-TRUST Recreational Flier Test Video: https://youtu.be/82r7oIyEfSI

-Flights over people rule: https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2021/01/15/2020-28947/operation-of-small-unmanned-aircraft-systems-over-people

-Advisory Circular AC 107-2A (Means of Compliance): https://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/media/Advisory_Circular/AC_107-2A.pdf

-Advisory Circular AC 91-57C (CBO Acceptance): https://www.faa.gov/aircraft/draft_docs/media/afx/AC_91-57C_Coord_Copy.pdf

-FAA Contact: https://www.faa.gov/uas/contact_us/

0:00 What are you talking about?
2:18 Who are we talking with?
2:40 Why flights over people?
5:30 Flights over vehicles?
7:14 Category 1
12:51 Transition/Sustained and Remote ID
15:40 When is rule final?
17:46 Self built drones, FPV?
19:51 Means of compliance
20:39 Part 107 or Recreational flier legal?
25:28 CBO recognition
27:22 Category 2, 3 & 4
30:12 What about BVLOS?
34:13 FPV community and the FAA
36:22 Contact the FAA
37:42 Closing thoughts

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50 Comments

  1. nick potella on October 25, 2021 at 9:00 am

    Jesus… talking about bvlos and traffic management for something as small as a consumer drone makes me want to puke. Why don’t they put microchips in the birds to monitor bird traffic and fine a bald eagle $5000 every time it drops ol Edna’s toy poodle from 200 feet onto i95. Making everyone safe (or broke) yall your beloved federal government here to save you from yourselves.

  2. Derek Swift on October 25, 2021 at 9:01 am

    Hey Keith, I bought a air 2s and I know it falls into the a2 category but I’m confused on what that means restriction wise for me? I’m planning on getting my part 107 anyhow but I’m just looking for some clarification on what I need and what I need to know to avoid the boys in blue? What steps and documentation exactly do I need in order to fly my drone legally? I understand the LAANC procedure and how to use air maps is there more crucial information I need to be aware of even if I get my part 107

  3. Cliff Bellas on October 25, 2021 at 9:01 am

    I do not understand why the FFA has such a ruling as to not allow flying over people without their permission when the Law alls allows filming of anyone in Public (There is no implication of privacy when in public) so what is what here?

  4. Kenny Bellau on October 25, 2021 at 9:02 am

    Thanks for making this video. Great info.

  5. Mr. Toy Box on October 25, 2021 at 9:02 am

    Would a roofing company have to have a commercial drone pilots license to inspect residential roof? Estimates are for free so roofers don’t charge homeowners to inspect the roof and provide a free estimate. Also sales reps for a roofing company would also inspect steep roofs with a drone for safety. Would they need a commercial license? The sales rep again would not charge are make a profit from providing a free inpsection. How does that play out legally per FFA? I would think commercial drone license would be more for filming hollywood movies and people who charge to use the drone flying over weddings etc and not a roof sales rep. Thoughts? Thanks and great video.

  6. Spiritual warrior&healer on October 25, 2021 at 9:02 am

    Greetings! So i fly a SG906- above 250 gr plane "recreational" with FAA register stamped, todays date is Sept 30 2021, If i understand Mr. Kevin correctly the recreational under (44809) cant fly at night unless your flying in accordance to a CBO organization that doesnt exist? "And" we would need to bw compliant with safety part 107, "And", a pilot license or rwgistration ", And, And, And, And.

  7. aMAYSing Life on October 25, 2021 at 9:07 am

    Given the current lack of cbo’s and the need for a rec pilot to comply with all points including CBO safety measures, how does a rec pilot fly at all under rec rules?

  8. Douglas Hughes on October 25, 2021 at 9:07 am

    I was thinking about buying a drone, now I dont think I will be buying a drone. Too many pit falls that are way too expensive if you fall into them.

  9. Hotwire on October 25, 2021 at 9:07 am

    The physics of electric flight has killed the Amazon, Google, Uber dream of drone delivery and taxi services. Now that the big money has left, us little guys get our hobby back.
    Sometimes you have to wait for reality to explain to bureaucrats, there is only one God.

  10. Sirena - Paul on October 25, 2021 at 9:07 am

    Hi Keith,
    I’m a new subscriber. Loved the information and the presentation. Very clear and helpful for a fairly complex topic. Looking forward to checking out your other videos.
    Thanks,
    Paul

  11. Arthur Torricer on October 25, 2021 at 9:10 am

    I just about to buy a DJI mini 2 s..

  12. Jet Martin on October 25, 2021 at 9:10 am

    It feels like the FAA has used BVLOS as the carrot for trying to induce acceptance for RemoteID. The reality is the BVLOS will require MUCH MUCH MUCH more than just RemoteID for a UAV to qualify for BVLOS. So I consider some of the past FAA communications to have been a bit sloppy at best if not disingenuous in directly linking RemoteId to BVLOS in an effort to "sell" RemoteId to the non-commercial UAV participants (i.e., RemoteID = BVLOS).
    Kudos to this FAA rep for at least acknowledging that RemoteID is simply a small building block towards a UTM system (which I believe is likely many years off) which ultimately will create framework for BVLOS for certain classes of drones (e.g., likely only commercial drones not consumer drones because of the fees and additional equipment required). This is why I have a problem with the FAA using BVLOS as the carrot for acceptance of RemoteID…As consumers we will pay the RemoteID "tax" and the Commercial UAVs will reap the benefits. Also I find some of the the Privacy implications of the current RemoteID standard to be totally unacceptable (e.g., broadcasting the exact location of the pilot AND making that information available to JohnQ public via a simple app on a smart phone).

  13. Vertigo1894 on October 25, 2021 at 9:11 am

    Wow! Great knowledgeable and well-spoken speaker. So informative with a confident FAA speaker who was pleasant to listen to with fast paced information with no stumbling or repeating.

  14. Tracy E. Thomas on October 25, 2021 at 9:12 am

    At 249 grams the Mavic Mini requires no license. When you add (non-lacerating) prop guards, you are over weight. Do you have to register that contraption?

  15. 0708oifvet on October 25, 2021 at 9:13 am

    If you have prop guard on a mini; doesnt that make it weigh over 250g?

  16. Bill Baker on October 25, 2021 at 9:15 am

    Kites are drones.. so are Frisbees.

  17. Jeremy Mcpherson on October 25, 2021 at 9:15 am

    So you need a degree in aeronautical law to fly your DJI mini over people. Got it.

  18. David Cooper on October 25, 2021 at 9:17 am

    Great video thanks Keith. Regards the CBO compliance for recreational drones (and I’m assuming model aircraft etc) will Category 1 under part 49 be self governing just as it is in part 107?
    I think this will be a very important distinction in order to allow young enthusiasts the freedom to experiment with flight as they always have been allowed without the need for registration or filling out forms, doing exams etc. The CBO idea seems to immediately give the FAA a free ticket to stipulate rules and regulate recreational hobbyists. I’m hoping it doesn’t apply to the sub 250 and light toy category, and, to be honest, larger craft as well, considering the hobby has a perfect world wide safety record.

  19. Cody McGill on October 25, 2021 at 9:18 am

    I really just don’t get the desire to fly over people, there’s nothing cool about what a crowd of people is doing. Go film some nature!

  20. Richard N1RBD on October 25, 2021 at 9:19 am

    So Cat 1 will be almost impossible to achieve without manufacturers releasing lower weight batteries or prop guards. Guess I shouldn’t have gotten the Mini 2 and waited for a Cat 2 certified.

  21. Richard Barnard on October 25, 2021 at 9:19 am

    The FPV community needs to understand that BVLOS will not happen without them. BVLOS by it’s very nature is FPV.

  22. 360Rumors on October 25, 2021 at 9:20 am

    Can FAA create a ceiling for drones that would make them definitely legal with no need to get airport clearance such as 50 ft AGL and at least x miles from an airport? No plane would fly that low so it seems like a safe zone for drones.

  23. Doug Moody on October 25, 2021 at 9:21 am

    As he was talking about flights over moving vehicles, I was wondering "What if I am in the car, and controlling the flight as we drive? Can I focus on my own car to watch it as it goes down the road??

  24. ELCAPULOVE FLECHA on October 25, 2021 at 9:22 am

    Good morning family. Thank you very much for your time and for sharing this valuable information 👍👍🙏💯

  25. Fred Primo on October 25, 2021 at 9:27 am

    Tanks for all this great hard work. Very helpful

  26. Oak Oliver on October 25, 2021 at 9:28 am

    I wonder if they will regulate the drones we left in Afghanistan?

  27. Mr Music on October 25, 2021 at 9:29 am

    To fly over people, drone needs to be less than 250g right?

  28. Luke OfTheSkyThatSometimesWalks on October 25, 2021 at 9:29 am

    geee … wouldn’t a handy little chart be TOTALLY cool to keep this all straight …

  29. james t on October 25, 2021 at 9:31 am

    Yes keep doing this learned some great info

  30. Glenn Siegel on October 25, 2021 at 9:31 am

    great stuff thank you! I do plan on getting a drone at some point soon. oh maybe warm up that lava lamp before you start a video, lol
    .

  31. MANUEL INSUA on October 25, 2021 at 9:32 am

    hi im a veryday flyer of a drone i think it good what you dou becus an educated flyer is a good drone flyer. thank you.

  32. Don Fulmer on October 25, 2021 at 9:32 am

    Thanks great job so I need to see the ruling on night fly I have a mini with all the lights. I mist something there.

  33. Delbert Tucker on October 25, 2021 at 9:36 am

    Hi,
    Thank you for all the informative and fun videos. I have a suggestion for a video. I am new to drones. Just a few weeks. I did get my part 107. I was flying a DJI Mini in a windy area in Florida. In Florida, water is everywhere. I did a low level wind test and she responded well. When I took her up, the wind took her over the water and I could not bring her home. She was quickly at a distance that I could not see her orientation. I tried going up and down to hopefully find a level that was less windy but I could not tell which direction she was headed. PANIC set in. She ran out of battery and went into the water far from shore.
    A few weeks later, flying my replacement drone, Air2s, I lost visual line of sight against a bright sky. PANIC again. I decided to try the Return to Home and let her come back on her own. The RTH altitude was set high to avoid obstacles. I could not hear where she was. After a few seconds, I did hear "Landing" from the controller! PANIC again! Landing where?! There were three ponds near me.
    What I forgot, in my panic, was to use the map view to know where the drone was and it’s orientation so I could bring her home manually or just track her coming home on auto RTH.
    *There is also a setting on the map view for orientation of the map. It can be locked or turn as I turned, so that I would be able to better see how to fly her home myself. Rookie mistakes.
    I considered doing a video myself but I am sure you can do a much better job if you decide to include this in a future video.
    Thanks again for all you do for the drone community.

  34. Patrick Geyer on October 25, 2021 at 9:36 am

    Give this man a raise, FAA. He just single handedly gave a large organization a real face as a real person and made me feel very comfortable about your intentions.

    Also I can confirm: I’ve reached out to the FAA when planning a flight here in LA and they were incredibly fast and helpful in their responses.

  35. NoSuRReNDeR001 on October 25, 2021 at 9:36 am

    Glad I found your channel, these questions are very important and I am a cinematographer that tries to always get proper permits etc…. very helpful – just got my mini 2 a short while ago and found your video very helpful …so thank you! – subbed-

  36. acdii on October 25, 2021 at 9:37 am

    The one thing a bunch of us "Old" RC pilots have been asking for is a clear and concise separation between a "drone" and a "Model Aircraft". Specifically those that are flown from an AMA field line of sight, and a clear exemption from the "drone" rules that are clearly meant for non LOS flying. We try to make our planes as light as possible for the least amount of cost and adding new electronic devices that require a separate heavy power source is not an option for us. I just want to go out and fly my 62" WS P-51 and not have to worry about the FAA telling me I can’t fly at the same field I have been flying at for year without notifying them. IOW, leave those of us who have been flying under AMA rules and regs for the past 70+ years alone, and stop putting "drones" in the same category. AFAIC drones are multi rotor craft that have video and can be flown non LOS, and my model airplanes are strictly LOS and should not be included.

  37. Bill G on October 25, 2021 at 9:37 am

    Thank you for hosting this. I came away with a more positive feeling about what originally seemed like regulations designed to crush the dreams of all but the largest of drone operation companies. A kinder/gentler FAA😄

  38. Lance Cadena on October 25, 2021 at 9:37 am

    at the 12:10-ish mark where he talks about sustained flight over people like a highway…he says you can transit from one side to the other but not hover. Totally understand that part. I have my part 107 and have taken my recurrent Knowledge test. I still can’t do this yet, correct? I need to have remote ID first, and props fulling enclosed, which does not exist for my drone specs currently. So flying over people or moving cars is not allowed yet? Flying at night with the anti-collision lights is currently legal now with my above cert, Correct? And I keep hearing about a list of what catergoies a drone flys under ie category 1, 2, 3 or 4 but have not seen a list anywhere…what category is the mavic 2 pro under? Where would one find a list, or is that even relevant yet?

  39. Arthur Torricer on October 25, 2021 at 9:38 am

    Ok so what about way under 249g fpv drone with out prop guards? like Geprc tiny go.. or tinyhawks . and your town is so small that airport 5 miles rule covers your whole town.. Can we still fly with no FAA issues?

  40. Dustin Gaddis on October 25, 2021 at 9:41 am

    As a new drone pilot, flying for my job (flying the drone is not even close to being my primary role FWIW), this was extremely helpful. Thanks!

  41. Joe Pesci on October 25, 2021 at 9:42 am

    Is putting a micro SD card in a 249g drone taken into consideration already? Or does it add weight to it? Thanks.

  42. butch brown on October 25, 2021 at 9:42 am

    Hearing directly from a FAA representative is very informative. Instead of hearing someones interpretation of the rules or their feelings of what the FAA is doing, hearing it directly takes the quessing out. It allows the FAA to get out accurate information to the people. It’s a win for the FAA and for the ones the rules will apply to. Great job with this one.

  43. Jay Houston Urban Photography on October 25, 2021 at 9:42 am

    Best video…Thank you. Yes more video that explains different aspects. Its nice to hear from FAA, versus a guy in a drone group. Thank you.

  44. Terry Stafford on October 25, 2021 at 9:43 am

    I watched. I listened. I appreciate the time taken to explain. But I still don’t know what I need to know. Can I fly over people with my DJI Mavic Air 2 and prop guards? I assume it’s a Cat 2 but can’t find anything about it on the website mentioned here.

  45. 2high2flyfpv on October 25, 2021 at 9:44 am

    I really don’t see the need for control of recreational drones, commercial drones, sure.
    This is extreme government overreach! I’ve researched how many incidents have involved fpv drones and there is virtually ZERO!
    Then I researched car crashes, in the USA last year for instance, more than 40,000 dead, 2.5 million maimed, and they pass out drivers licenses like candy at a parade.
    There is no problem here that the government needs to fix, they should concentrate on more important matters. This is completely about control and nothing else.
    If they think rules are necessary for 5 and 6 inch kwads it should be restricted to densely populated areas and not apply to rural flying whatsoever.
    It will become harder to fly a toy than to drive a two or three ton vehicle down a narrow road at high rates of speed.
    This entire set of rules is total bogus government crap. To institute any of this nonsense the government should have to prove and demonstrate the need for such "regulation". This nonsense of government agencies instituting law by regulation is corrupt. Laws are supposed to be passed by congress, not some overreaching government agency.
    What is most disturbing is the willingness of people to give up their freedom without a second thought.

  46. Phil Jamie Ross on October 25, 2021 at 9:49 am

    real educational head shack not everyone thinks of this one, great content thanks health and safety first with everything we do from swimming to driving thanks again

  47. Kenny Bellau on October 25, 2021 at 9:51 am

    One question I’ve always asked is, "what does ‘over’ or ‘above’ mean? Is 5 feet to the side of a highway mean a drone is above that highway? Is 1 foot to the side of the fence around an outside concert mean the drone is above the concert? Anyone looking at it would think so. With cropping, any video can look like it’s directly over people or vehicles if it’s fairly close.

  48. Steve Driscoll on October 25, 2021 at 9:54 am

    Lies. The FAA and Congress are trying to regulate recreational drones away. The independent use of UAVs scares the leftist government. Even though 99% of users won’t be doing anything dangerous or even be a nuisance the FAA will add layer after layer of rules and regs, and so will Congress. Everyone knows that such regs and their complexity is intimidating and will scare away most people from even trying the hobby. (They’re counting on that). The media and the government will do their damnedest to paint ALL RECREATIONAL FLYERS as dangerous by making mountains out of molehills and LOUDLY focusing on the few bad flyers. Just like guns. Count on it.

    Kevin Morris is the devil’s advocate – over regulating you with a smile. You’ll see him again when the the FAA wants to inform the public of more restrictions and obstacles to RC Hobbyists. He’ll smile then too.

  49. Paul G. on October 25, 2021 at 9:55 am

    Anybody have the spark notes on how far to stay away from people/cars/highways if under 250 grams?

  50. Leoji67 on October 25, 2021 at 9:57 am

    Question: Does the FAA have any requirements for indoor flight used commercially?

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