Does the Military need indirect fire Unmanned Ground Vehicles? | ARTILLERY ROBOTIC DRONES

I have looked at many different forms of robots and drones that the military has wanted to implement but in today’s video we discuss a new weapon system that is being made as a concept for a Unmanned Ground Vehicle artillery unit. I have my doubts in the configuration its shown as in this video as being worthwhile or not military technology for the modern battlefield.

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50 Comments

  1. Jaime G on November 21, 2020 at 9:01 pm

    put seats on the side of it

  2. Pyrrha on November 21, 2020 at 9:03 pm

    I’m working towards a degree that will let me design these types of robots. Think of the machine as another guy in your unit. It might weigh a lot more, have a bigger gun, and look different, but the goal is the have a machine support traditional troops in a way that machines are good at.

  3. Solstice on November 21, 2020 at 9:03 pm

    This Mission Master thing of Rheinmetal is allready in use and testing in the German Millitary, SF and EF.
    Mission master can operate a bit above 72 hours with 1 charge and up to 9 days with recharge generator.
    There are diffrent Mission modules for this thing, not only the Rocket launcher, so it would be handy to have some of those, in some Units.
    The other point is, it follows with out remote control and can operate in Convoy, resupply and so on …
    The Idea isn´t really bad, but the real use in reality is something diffrent !?
    For real artillery it would make more sense, if you got a mobile operation station with 8 or 10 unmanned units and I think it is still the battery/energy factor for those things, to keep them 24/7 going, why you won´t see them comming soon and as well the resupply for those.

  4. Aidan Preuss on November 21, 2020 at 9:03 pm

    Artillery that can’t load

  5. Jintsuu Best on November 21, 2020 at 9:08 pm

    Don’t think the small stuff would provide much if any value as heavy artillery.

    They are useful, as far as I can tell now,
    1. Transporting equipment and supply

    2. Short to mid range, small to mid caliber direct fire support (the 50 cal to the 30mm)
    2.a. Alternative could be grenade launcher from 25s to 50s.
    3. Perhaps mortar carrier of caliber of 60s, maybe 80s? The system is completely self contain.
    4. A variety of light engineering vehicle, door busting, IED removal, decoy, etc.

    So can I expand on the mortar? Assuming carrying 300kg.
    So a launcher + 60 60mm would be 20kg + 60*2kg. Lets just say 150kg.
    That left 150kg to implement some sort of ammo selector and autoloader, and navigation system.
    You don’t need fancy optics, because the fire control will be perform at the control hub.
    Maybe some wheel lifting system to prevent the thing form falling apart after first shot.

    A mortar platoon suddenly now can operate 3 60mm with 3 men instead of 9 men.
    Less man, more weapon. The poor souls that have to service those device are part of the sacrifice for greater good.

    Thats my sales pitch.

  6. Jaime G on November 21, 2020 at 9:10 pm

    Yes!

  7. Fernel Curameng on November 21, 2020 at 9:10 pm

    Im not tubby. Im just wearing extra layer of body armor.

  8. csnation on November 21, 2020 at 9:11 pm

    Honestly I don’t think the Rheinmetall mission master is meant for long hauls or long range bombardments.

    70mm rocket pods even if laser guided (google APKWS) are still pretty short range compared to Mortars.
    And such rockets are meant for handling light vehicles, soft targets in the open and the entrenched targets in buildings for example.

    It is something soldiers probably bring along for short patrols where the short term firepower (probably 14 on ready and maybe another 14/28 as reserve?) can be pretty decisive in case if they run into an ambush or skirmish. Or very short missions as battery life is still a concern.

    But totally correct with the idea of bigger UGVs, simply for increased pay load or armor. Things like Rheinmetall are pretty much unarmored and easily crippled.

  9. Living Corpse on November 21, 2020 at 9:14 pm

    I don’t think you’re gonna lose your job. Man and machine are both good and bad at different things, it’s why we still have fighter pilots even though we have UAVs.

  10. Семён Лопаткин on November 21, 2020 at 9:15 pm

    Russian Uran-9! Although I’ve heard the UK intelligence did not rate its performance to be good enough in Syria.

  11. Barret Campbell on November 21, 2020 at 9:16 pm

    A zamboni carrying an artillery piece is absolutely the Canadian Armed Forces spirit animal.

  12. angulion on November 21, 2020 at 9:19 pm

    Could perhaps a bunch of rocket bearing UGV’s (although not indirect fire) be autonomously set up by roads etc to ambush as an denial of entry weapon?
    Thinking mostly of mideast and not densely forested areas.

  13. Aaron Seet on November 21, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    It’s the inevitable future. Even if the current versions/generations don’t appear amazing. Sooner or later the technology will surpass human capabilities and efficiency.

    Would you rely on radar and targeting systems, or human eyes to spot and aim at enemy aircraft?

    I’m thinking these small/fast tactical designs are meant for asymmetric warfare against insurgents rather than conventional military opponents.

  14. n/a n/a on November 21, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    Why not scrap the surplus? "We spent too much on them." Well then the issue is not the vehicle, it’s having more money than common sense.

  15. James Merkel on November 21, 2020 at 9:20 pm

    sure beats guys in harms way & a layered attack pushing bots forward 1st stink team to find the mines & hidden pop up fox holes.

  16. Alexander Green on November 21, 2020 at 9:21 pm

    These can be used to protect artillery positions from approching drones

  17. Landrew0 on November 21, 2020 at 9:22 pm

    I think you’re forgetting to account for the greater accuracy of modern weapons. No need for a saturation barrage.

  18. zano187 on November 21, 2020 at 9:22 pm

    I’d say for future warfare, I could see this platform used as a micro AA armed with a small cannon used to deal with drones, and double as fire support.

  19. ginNaujus on November 21, 2020 at 9:23 pm

    Might come in handy for the US Marines doing shore invasions but they got to be able to float.

  20. Eli Zorn on November 21, 2020 at 9:23 pm

    To be fair, these could probably be used as “disposable” platforms to send out where there is a high chance of insurgent interference and you don’t want a crew to be at risk.

    For instance, firing missions whose optimum angles require you to already be in hostile territory if you want to mitigate the chances of damaging civilian infrastructure.

    Another example is, that if it’s a relatively close range platform, it can be used for limited fire support for otherwise clandestine missions where you want to, for instance, support a team of operators while also minimizing the amount of personnel involved to prevent information leakage. If Seal Team Six is doing a mission in (REDACTED), and it’s legality is questionable, why involve more people than you have to?

  21. Jaime G on November 21, 2020 at 9:24 pm

    mimi Gun

  22. The Florida Man Of YT Comments on November 21, 2020 at 9:24 pm

    “Combat Zamboni” isn’t coming for your job, it’s coming for your life. #CombaZombie

  23. Marc Browne on November 21, 2020 at 9:25 pm

    I see the use for these as making more sense if they can be autonomous.
    Imagine, a small special forces team plans to attack a camp from the south. One or two of these attack from the North, then autonomously drive back to a staging area without any assistance.

    In a traditional shoot & scoot artillery role, 12 of these could shoot, then scoot automatically, to a new location, rearm with troops, drive to a new location and shoot again, rinse repeat.

    Thirdly, have a strong ATGM missile on a vehicle, a special forces team comes across an armoured target, tank, etc, they can launch large ATGM weapons without needing to lug them around the place, and again the autonomous nature means that these don’t need to travel with the soldiers.

    Once the vehicle is empty, it can drive home on its own.

    Of course this is all based on them being able to drive better than vehicles do in ArmA 3.

  24. Morahman7vnNo2 on November 21, 2020 at 9:26 pm

    I thought the point of drones was that you wouldn’t have to go with it?

    I think recon and cross fire would work best for these. You’re right, they need to be bigger if they’re going to have any sort of meaningful impact.

  25. Bruce Jenner on November 21, 2020 at 9:29 pm

    technology looking for a home

  26. Jacob Klein on November 21, 2020 at 9:29 pm

    The drone could bring greater sustained firepower since counterbattery fire would not result in human casualties.

  27. Sambojin Bojin-Sam on November 21, 2020 at 9:32 pm

    Having 14x 70mm *guided* rockets, with another 14 as a reload, doesn’t sound terrible as limited fire support. With enough comms and computing ability to take other platform’s targeting information.
    I mean, it’s still limited, in range/ ammo/ destructive capabilities, but put it alongside a pack-mule ride-on vehicle for a squad’s walky-walky equipment and a .50cal/up-to 25mm gun support platform, and an eight-twelve man squad has a fair bit of medium-helicopter cargo’able options for less intensive environments. And you can just call the things you need in, as the situation changes, within a day or three.
    I don’t think this is meant to respond to threats alone, but simply provide a 70mm guided rocket support and light artillery platform alongside other light platforms like this. And ones that you will be riding in or on as a soldier (actual vehicles/ APCs, LSVs/ whatever), but with these "minis" being your "movable firebase/ response options".
    It’s not "proper artillery", it’s just a guided rocket carrier for the extended range 70mm hardware that’s being developed. Might not be the worst thing, but it won’t replace artillery, it’s just a lot easier to chopper in. Add in UAVs, and you’ve got a pretty good no-go zone for plenty of things. It’s not amazing, and it’s not *artillery*, but having 2-6km worth of light vehicle/ building/ pillbox-buster artillery is kind of hard for a squad or platoon to carry, when they’ve still got to do everything else as well. Having 14-28 fairly accurate rounds of it, that can use aerial targeting, backed with a .50cal/20mm/25mm platform and a pack-mule, along with whatever is on their actual transport, does give significant extra capabilities. They’re like little "bonus whatevers", so no-one had to carry 14-28 bazookas/RPG rounds, not the be-all-and-end-all of proper heavy fire support.

  28. Migaligaz on November 21, 2020 at 9:32 pm

    *exponentially not expodentially

  29. Big blue Button man on November 21, 2020 at 9:33 pm

    Maybe you could use it for shoot n scoots, but for scouting and recon, it seems kind of insufficient. If you want suppressive fire or something, then a machine gun would suffice (you could even have a “suppressive fire” option in the drone suited for such a situation).

    If we’re gonna have drone arty, as stated in the vid, go big or go home.

  30. James Merkel on November 21, 2020 at 9:34 pm

    So long as u can change out the top modular to mission say peace time action, supply carrier 1st in village to get mopped is a drone.

  31. ihatemybosses on November 21, 2020 at 9:40 pm

    Just itching to get back into a war. Worried he is not going to be able to kill in a stupid war the US probably started. Don’t worry governor. Even if these are purchased it will likely be used in conjunction with your prized gun.

  32. yiggdrasill on November 21, 2020 at 9:40 pm

    Your idea of swarms of heavy self loading artillery drones has merit. Artillery is used either for sustained fire or more commonly brief heavy bombardment and i can see great use for it in the second role. A group could move into position, fire and then leave for resupply before counter battery hits. As for a small thing like is shown here….yeah its a waste of time. Not only does it add time and effort for the infantry i personally would not feel safer having it around or have much confidence in its fire support ability. As you said, go big or go home

  33. alan li on November 21, 2020 at 9:42 pm

    Is counter-battery fire still a thing?

  34. Ian Clegg on November 21, 2020 at 9:43 pm

    fairly sure it’s 14 tubes matt 😉

  35. Ong C.H. on November 21, 2020 at 9:44 pm

    open up the future possibilities of "war from home" arrangement. cool!

  36. Living Corpse on November 21, 2020 at 9:45 pm

    I think the rockets are very situational, combine them with APKWS (Advance Precision Kill Weapon System) for urban combat to minimize collateral damage. Every other situation, machine gun, supplies and maybe two missiles to deal with a tank or aircraft if the need arises.

  37. Sheila olfieWay on November 21, 2020 at 9:47 pm

    Matsimus, look at it this way these drones will not likely replace you but be your new vehicle you’ll be driving these things. but yeah larger ones might be better but i would think making them swarms of remotely controlled drones could work for the smaller ones.

  38. Ali Chahin on November 21, 2020 at 9:47 pm

    Those guys seem like farmers doing farmer shit and are not placing a bomb

  39. Stephen Palmer on November 21, 2020 at 9:47 pm

    The small weapons systems are a cover , ultimately thay will be transport for battlefield nuclear weapons.

  40. Michael Kaylor on November 21, 2020 at 9:49 pm

    I would submit to look at it in a “Artillery Vehicle, Low-Cost”, pronounced “av-lock” similar to what @wellbattle6 discussed.

  41. James Merkel on November 21, 2020 at 9:50 pm

    I like idea of a sled behind drone bot u can use as litter carrier or covered box u can jump into last resort if under mortar attack.

  42. DavidFMayerPhD on November 21, 2020 at 9:50 pm

    The weaknesses of all of these systems are:
    reloading ammo
    resupplying fuel, etc
    repair in the field

    As you know, an artillery piece can fire hundreds of rounds in a day. No artillery piece can contain hundreds of rounds, so these pieces are accompanied by trucks with ammo. Handling loose ammo is NOT something that I would trust a robot with. Also, equipment breaks down, so spare parts and personnel to install them are also needed in the field.

  43. TheBigManUno on November 21, 2020 at 9:50 pm

    These things used in tandem with live units to create deployable mechanized support would make sense. Or mechanized swarm units, but that would also require human support

  44. E B on November 21, 2020 at 9:53 pm

    I don’t see the point of a small, mobile artillery system for most of your reasons, Matt. As I understand it, artillery is meant to deliver lots of fire power, quickly, on target, and from beyond visual range, often from some kind of firebase but sometimes just from a nice place to park with some protection and options to bug out once the return fire starts coming.

    That implies exactly what you said, "go big or go home" for arty.

    I can sort-of see the use of a mobile mortar drone (or with a driver) in some cases and I can certainly see the point of *anything* that can carry ammo and parts.

  45. Tankart 364 on November 21, 2020 at 9:53 pm

    Usually UGV are controlled from far away, we can see this with the Estonian troops in Mali, who use Milrem Robotics THeMIS UGV’s instead of going themselves on patrols, minimizing the risk of casualties. This is probably gonna be the same with the new Type-x unmanned tank, where they are going to send out like a small squad of 12, to destroy and eliminate the target, without ever even themselves stepping on the battle ground.

  46. Tony Navarro on November 21, 2020 at 9:53 pm

    The artillry drone idea doesn’t make sense unless it’s an automated firebase with a centralized ammo bunker with an autoloader mechanism feeding a series of guns arranged around it. This might make sense if you wanted to free up more soldiers for combat leaving a crew of three or four to maintain the firebase. The autoloader would be a sort of carousel type feeding ammunition to six to eight guns from an ammo bunker. Fire can be directed by the on site crew, or from a distant control station, Replenishing the bunker would be by helicopter, or resupply truck., and the ammo replenishment could be packed in magazine format so as to quickly swap a depleted magazine with a new one. Then, when the firebase needs to be moved, everything can be disconnected into seperate transport units which could then be led by the lead crewed vehicle, or autonomously from a distant control station.When the new site is reached, each gun carraige would position itself around the central ammo bunker, while the crew attatches the ammo feeding belts to each gun while each gun starts orienting itself via GPS and/or satellite positioning.. Not so sure if such a set up can shoot and scoot quickly if needs be, but it would theoretically need only a small crew to service the guns of the whole firebase.

  47. Jack Owen on November 21, 2020 at 9:54 pm

    The only thing I can see platforms like these being particularly useful beyond the over watch positioning you discussed is for Airborne and rapid reaction troops. Having the ability to easily move larger weapon systems like artillery or antitank in a smaller package is always useful and means you can airdrop more equipment without wasting weight on heavy armour or space for crew compartments. I think having these systems on a patrol like mission isn’t particularly useful but when having to counter peer to peer threats and keep on the move with limits on weight and space I think these are probably the best solution. The place of airborne troops on the modern battlefield is debatable today with the advent of better and better sam platforms and stronger A2AD capabilities but the best application of these systems is really behind enemy lines.

  48. flodA reltiH on November 21, 2020 at 9:55 pm

    South African Special Forces at 4:03 to 4:05. Nice to see them on a video even if they weren’t being spoken about. They get to test out all the cool new gear.

  49. Sorin Asm on November 21, 2020 at 9:56 pm

    You can link it to the main vahicle using ai, and then give distance to hide it . By doing this you have a block devided in 3. Soldiers, ifv and ugv.

  50. Mauri Bonada on November 21, 2020 at 9:57 pm

    Maybe in a city scenario it would not be very usefull, but as a recon or short distance air defense in the country side would be a better option

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